THE MISQUOTES OF MICHAEL HORN

CLAIM:  Michael Horn Claims That Several Prominent Individuals Support The Various Claims Of Billy Meier

FINDINGS:  All Individuals Reached So Far For Comment Say That They Were Misquoted

Throughout his years of promoting the claims of Billy Meier, Michael Horn has quoted several individuals as being supporters of the claims of Billy Meier.  However, when asked about the quotations the person being quoted routinely says that the quote was taken out of context or never took place at all.

Here are some misquotes of Michael Horn along with what was actually stated by the individuals.

MARC WEIGERT – CEO OF UNCHARTED TERRITORY

One of the “quotes” that Michael Horn routinely uses is regarding the claim that the company responsible for the visual effects in Independence Day and Godzilla could not recreate the look of Meier’s 8mm movies without using Computer Graphics Imagery (CGI).

In the DVD The Silent Revolution Of Truth Michael Horn makes the following statement:

This is one of the films that the owners of Uncharted Territory, the Academy Award winning special effects house, they viewed this film and determined that it was not a hoax.  Uncharted Territory said that if they could duplicate Meier's films they would have to go to CGI to do it because these clearly are not models.

I emailed one of the owners of Uncharted Territory, Marc Weigert, and this is what he had to say:

From: "Marc Weigert"
Date: January 30, 2008 6:02:11 PM PST
To: "'Derek Bartholomaus'"
Subject: RE: Uncharted Territory website: CGI Quotation Question

Hi Derek,

After discussing it again with my business partner Volker Engel, this is how we remember it:

The statement is kind of correct... But not 100% accurate and a bit simplified.

Looking at the "space capsules", we noted that they DO look like miniature models, very simplistic in design and build.  It also seemed weird to us that when you see the design of these UFOs, they seem to be designed based on the ideas of that era. E.g. when you watch a sci-fi movie from the 50s, the design of the UFOs reflect design ideas of the time, and are totally different than a UFO in a movie from 2008. That same look seemed to be the case with the spaceships in the movie. They looked like they were human design from a few decades ago.

But, to reflect on the statement that's in the film, I also remember seeing a shot on the Super8 reel that showed a UFO circling around a fairly tall tree. According to that shot, we said that we can't conclusively say whether it's real or not, but it seemed impossible to stage that kind of a shot with a miniature (it would have to be hanging on a very tall crane, with wires - but even then the movements would be hard to achieve.) So, yes, in regards to that shot, we mentioned that we could definitely do it today with CG, but at the time these were supposedly shot - it would have been very hard, probably even impossible, to fake this kind of shot.

So, to sum it up - we did not say "these are clearly not models".

I followed up with Marc and told him that the owners of the farmhouse in the film have said that there never was a tree on their property.  I also showed him the photos of what appears to be the same tree in different locations throughout Switzerland:

Marc then wrote:

From: "Marc Weigert"
Date: January 30, 2008 7:14:47 PM PST
To: "'Derek Bartholomaus'"
Subject: RE: Uncharted Territory website: CGI Quotation Question

Hmm, interesting.
If the tree is a model and it's forced perspective - then you would NOT need CGI to do this shot.

Best,
Marc

I also spoke with Marc over the phone and he said that they “never made a statement that it was real” and they “do not believe it is real.”

A person not affiliated with myself, nor the Independent Investigations Group, by the name of Teri Hayes decided to email Marc Weigert about the statement because Michael Horn has been misquoting his above statements as again somehow being in support of Billy Meier.  Here is Teri’s email:

From: Teri Hayes
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 10:03 PM
To: marc
Subject: Uncharted Territory website: The Silent Revolution of Truth video

Mr. Weigert, I am doing a bit of personal research on the validity of claims of 'authenticity' in the new film by Michael Horn.  According to his website, http://www.theyfly.com/newsflash92/Academy_%20Award_Fx.htm you have made the statement, regarding Billy Meier's video which appears in the film and shows an alleged 'beam ship' circling a tree, that "at the time these were supposedly shot - it would have been very hard, probably even impossible, to fake this kind of shot." Mr. Horn uses this statement as a validation of 'authenticity' of the video in question. I was just curious if that was your intent when making this statement that Mr. Horn uses on his website? Thank you, sir, for any attention afforded this question.  Have a wonderful night.  With great Sincerity, Teri Hayes

Here is Marc’s response:

From: "Marc Weigert / Uncharted Territory"
To: "'Teri Hayes'"
Subject: RE: Uncharted Territory website: The Silent Revolution of Truth video
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 08:13:54 -0700

Hi Teri,

I'm currently getting a lot of questions like yours.
I can tell you it was definitely not our intent to validate the "Authenticity" of Billy Meier's "UFO's". There were actually quite a lot of other things we said, including that the UFOs look suspiciously like models and on top of that, like some 50s or 70s human design.
But, to be fair, we did make the statement about that single shot which we saw on video, transferred from Super8 film. But that this shot would be difficult to achieve doesn't make everything real...

Cheers,
Marc

PROFESSOR DONALD HANLEY – UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON EXTENSION FORESTER
PROFESSOR EVERETT M. HANSEN – OREGON STATE UNIVERSITY
DR. EDWARD C. JENSEN – OREGON STATE UNIVERSITY
CHARLES E. FLETCHER – OREGON STATE UNIVERSITY ASSOCIATE GENERAL COUNSEL

One of the “quotes” that Michael Horn routinely uses is regarding the veracity of the tree that appears in multiple locations in Switzerland.

Here are the trees:

In the DVD The Silent Revolution Of Truth Michael Horn makes the following statement:

"Six professors of forestry looked at Meier's photos and looked at the trees and each one determined that the trees are full size mature trees and not models."

The names of the forestry professors are then displayed on-screen for the viewer:

Here is Professor Donald Hanley’s response:

From: Donald Hanley
Date: February 22, 2008 9:02:02 AM PST
To: Derek Bartholomaus
Subject: RE: Forestry Quotation Question

I have no idea how you got my name nor do I wish to comment on these photos. Do not continue to use my name in this fashion.

Don Hanley
WSU Extension Forester

From: Everett Hansen
Date: February 25, 2008 11:51:41 AM PST
To: Derek Bartholomaus
Subject: Re: Fwd: Forestry Quotation Question

I have not "authenticated real trees", or made any other definitive statements about these photos. My observations are being misrepresented, and my name and affiliation are being used without my permission.
Everett Hansen

From: "Jensen, Edward C."
Date: February 25, 2008 2:25:11 PM PST
To: <deardorf>, <dgunblatt>, <derek>, <aspie>
Cc: "Jensen, Edward C.", "Fletcher, Charles"
Subject: Comment on UFO

Gentlemen:
An estimate of tree height (actually only the top portion of a single particular tree) that I made several years ago in good faith has been taken out of context and misused to purport things that I did not intend.  Further, my observations have been misappropriated and misapplied to photographs that I have never seen and situations that I have never reviewed.  I want to assure you that I have never purported to authenticate any photos of alleged UFOs for Mr. Deardorff, Mr. Meier, Mr. Horn, or anyone else.  Nor have I ever purported to determine the authenticity of any trees in any photos of alleged UFOs for anyone.  Mr. Deardorff contacted me some years ago and asked if I could provide information about a tree in a photo that included an alleged UFO.  The photo was of poor quality, but I assumed that the tree in the photo was real and gave an estimate of the height of the portion of the tree above the alleged UFO based on that assumption. I did not opine that the tree in the photo was truly real rather than a model, that the alleged UFO was real, or that the photograph was real and unaltered.  I certainly have never offered any support to Mr. Deardorff or Mr. Meier for their claims that there are real UFOs or real trees in any photograph. I hope this will end the matter and that neither my name nor that of Oregon State University will be used inaccurately again in connection with these photographs.  To this end, I have copied the General Counsel of Oregon State University, and I will direct any further communication about this matter to them.  Thank you for your cooperation.

Dr. Edward C. Jensen
Oregon State University
Corvallis, OR 97331

From: Derek Bartholomaus
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 9:13 PM
To: Jensen, Edward C.; Fletcher, Charles
Subject: Re: Comment on UFO

Hello Dr. Jensen and Mr. Fletcher.

I do not wish to put you in any sort of "he said/he said" type of situation, but I think you should be fully aware of what Mr. Horn has stated publicly regarding what he claims that Dr. Jensen and other forestry experts have stated regarding the veracity of the tree(s) that appear in the UFO photographs of Eduard Albert "Billy" Meier.

As I stated in my first email to Dr. Jensen there is a new DVD produced by Michael Horn where Mr. Horn states on camera, "Six professors of forestry looked at Meier's photos and looked at the trees and each one determined that the trees are full size mature trees and not models." He then posted the names of the six professors onscreen and Dr. Jensen is one of those names listed.

Dr. Jensen is also mentioned by name on the following websites owned by Michael Horn and James Deardorff:
http://www.theyfly.com/newsflash5/tree.htm
http://www.tjresearch.info/Wedcake.htm
http://www.tjresearch.info/moretree.htm

Dr. Jensen is also named in the following press release by Michael Horn and James Deardorff:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/03/prweb357776.htm

Michael Horn has also mentioned Dr. Jensen by name on numerous message board postings.  This is just a small sampling:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread277472/pg22#pid3158308
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread277472/pg26#pid3166071
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread277472/pg32#pid3173486
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread277472/pg40#pid3180158

On many other occasions Michael Horn has posted references to the "six professors of forestry" without identifying them specifically by name, but the names are easy to determine based on the number of prior postings of the people's names.

If there is anything I can do to be of further assistance in this matter please let me know.

Sincerely,

Derek Bartholomaus
Independent Investigations Group
www.iigwest.org

Mr. Fletcher then replied with the following:

From: "Fletcher, Charles"
Date: February 26, 2008
To: "Derek Bartholomaus"
Cc: "Jensen, Edward C."
Subject: RE: Comment on UFO

Thank you, Mr. Bartholomaus, for that helpful information. Your efforts in correcting others' mistakes is laudable. But as to making use of your information directly, I think OSU would prefer to distance itself from this entirely.

Charles E. Fletcher
Associate General Counsel
Oregon State University